It's Time for GDCA to Crack the Ice & Accept
Chocolate as a Breed Standard Color.
After all, Chocolate Danes Have Existed Since
THINKING: The hardest work there is,
which is probably the reason so few engage in it.
in black, blue, onyx & chocolate
in black, blue, fawn & chocolate
in black, blue, fawn & chocolate
in black, blue, fawn & chocolate
color chart shows over 60 color
variations Danes come in that I have found thus far.
It's a fact,
chocolate breeds true.... chocolate to chocolate = chocolate!
So, why can't chocolate be a breed standard color?
Below are chocolate harls, a chocolate merle and chocolates.
Below are two 16 wk old litter mates.
anything, the chocolate closer resembles the other colors
better than fawn does (ie: blues have blue nose & solid BLUE
muzzle, blacks have black nose and solid BLACK muzzle,
Brindles have black nose and BRINDLE muzzle, harles have harle
nose and HARLE muzzle) yet the fawn has an inconsistent color
pattern (Harle by definition has patches, including the muzzle
and nose... but blues don't have a mismatched black muzzle,
brindles don't have a mismatched black muzzle, harles
typically don't have a solid black muzzle)... Chocolates
follow the same color pattern as blues, blacks, and
brindles... body & muzzle are the same color. I'm not
advocating for elimination of fawns... just asking what makes
them special and outside the laws of color yet chocolate is
not to be considered a breed standard color? In my
opinion, the reasons for the accepted colors seem flawed.
It's a fact chocolate Danes are recognized by
AKC and have
their own color/pattern codes.
There are chocolates in many breeds of dogs as well as other species including rhinos,
pandas & hawks! Specifically
note the rhino's horns are brown as with the chocolate Dane it's nose and nails
are brown. Thank goodness the person that first came across these
beautiful creatures didn't kill them just because they were the "wrong color for
the breed or species!" One should not fear or hate something they didn't know existed
or don't understand how it could be; but instead research it and accept the fact that it does exist as with the case
of the chocolate Dane.
Maybe when the GDCA, which was first the German Mastiff Club,
was founded in 1889, didn't want to have the
variety of colors the breed
can actually produce and since the first imports where fawns
why exclude them and it is believed they took the most seen colors
in stride and went from there. So the color code was
really based on what was "popular" rather than for
If folks would just take a break from Dane genetics and begin
to study Dachshund genetics - a light bulb would go on. SAME
genes, SAME colors, SAME patterns as the Danes....except
they are labeled correctly. And once you see them
in Dachshunds - you realize that they are the EXACT genes that
are in Danes (with exception of the harl, of course, which was
a mutation of the merle Dane).
As you will read below you'll
come to realize that
Danes are not just acurrentfad as one may have been
mislead by breed standard and show breeders; nor are they rare as
some chocolate breeders advertise. I want
to see this beautiful and healthy colored Dane recognized as a
breed standard color one day. Even a certain forum's
chocolate Danes are color pure!! However, the prejudice
against the chocolate Dane dates back as far as
when one was shown.
It'd be nice if more people
were open minded and
bred to improve the overall conformation and health of the
being produced so that these colors can one day be breed
standard colors? After all, that's how the mantles and
harlequins became breed standard colors.... because someone
was willing to stand up for what they believed in.
Why is it that GDCA and AKC consider
(the discoverer of the harl gene explicitly says it is NOT a
color, it is a PATTERN that can fall on any color)
(when it's created by the s-gene (the piebald gene)
"colors" rather that what they really are, PATTERNS!
It's been well known for generations that Bostons (or Mantles)
(ie piebalds) can carry ticking (undesirable). In Dachshunds
the ticking gene is beginning to be understood in piebalds -
and it's a gene all by itself, which is expressed in heavy
ticking, light ticking or no ticking.
Big things have small
beginnings and it is a fact there are
at least 1/2 dozen show people already breeding for the chocolates
but, of course they are hiding in the closet about it
at this time.
On a positive note, at least those doing this obviously have
the vision to see that chocolate in the show ring in the
future! It will be
these open minded breeders in the show ring with their own
lines of chocolates and my hat is off to them.
One needs to be
open minded enough to realize if it weren't for
independent thinkers like Honey Hollow, Dinro and BMW, who
defied convention and bred the way they believed and
produced superlative Great Danes the breed would not be where
it is today. With that in mind, those of us who are
seriously breeding the chocolate Dane to produce quality
Danes are no different, these dogs are not inferior,
on the contrary we strongly feel they have something to
contribute to the breed as well.
It's about time people spoke up against the horrible "Color
Code of Ethics" which has no purpose other than to whittle
down the gene pool, and eliminate colors and patterns which
have been around for literally hundreds of years. If
more and more breeders will start to think with their
own brains, stand on their own two feet, do the research and not listen to the garbage
are throwing out there and return to breeding this
beautiful color in very correct and healthy Danes, we can
achievethe goal of getting chocolate to become a breed standard color!
Chocolates come in a GREAT variety:
lilac, chocolate, chocolate harlequin, chocolate merle, chocolate fawn,
Below notice the
close up of the Great Dane in the portrait of Guidobaldo II della
Rovere by Agnolo Bronzino, circa mid to late 1500's. Sure looks like
a white and black harlequin, doesn't it?
"Up until the
year 1880 and without a single known exception we find that all
scientist, all historians and people at large the world over are in
agreement with that the country of origin of the Great Dane is
Denmark. The dog's, Denmark's, Europe's and the World's history
changes though with the arrival of Bismarck."
The standard we refer to
today can be followed as far back as the year 1891. It was edited by
the Deutschen Doggen club which has been founded in
1888 in order to support this breed. In 1897 the first volume
of the genealogy of the Great Dane was published and contained
538 entries. Its editor was the Deutsche Doggen club.
Even AFTER 1880 (and with much
documented protest by Germany to have the names changed) both England
AND the United States created their "GREAT DANE" clubs (1885 in
England) and (1889 or 1891 in the US). They were NOT called "Deutches
Dogge" Clubs; and matter of fact, there is a rather grimly humorous
bit on the net of England's response to Germany's protest over the
name of their club...something to the effect that they would rather
base their club on a pedigree 200 years old, than on a pedigree that
"was born yesterday" - something to that effect.
The painting below done by Karel van Mander III (1610-1670) titled
"Great Dane Raro." This beautiful animal is in my opinion a
chocolate or dilute chocolate mantle because the nose is most
definitely brown, not black, nor is it blue! Raro was given by
King Frederick III of Denmark to princess Magdalena Sibylle. She was
married to the crown prince Christian.
And Raro was
HIGHLY prized, since he was a special gift from the King of Denmark to
his daughter. The dwarf holding the Great
Dane is the Italian Giacomo Favorchi; circa 1665!! Now
I'm not saying this was when the first chocolate Dane was actually in
existence; this is the earliest evidence I'm aware of of it's
Bottom line, the present prejudice against Chocolate is simply a
German "purist" carryover from well over 100 years ago.
Click on photo to enlarge
Below is an 1861 Danish photo of what
looks to be a harlequin!
Click on photo to enlarge
The first show reported was 1886 in Leipzig, with the
colors divided as solid, striped and spotted.
Danes of many beautiful colors and patterns have been
seen; brindle with a red-gold base coat and blue
stripes, mask and nose; pups (from pure-color
fawn-bridle breeding) starting out looking chocolate,
then got a bluish tinge, and as an adult looked like an
exotic shade of mink; blacks with
stripes (eel-striped, Aalstrich); Blues with a dark
mask; whites with blue and fawn spots; whites with
brindle spots, etc.
friend of mine was trying to track down the first Dane
in the US, came upon a blue and white harl sent by the
King of Wurtemberg in 1862 - who was put on exhibition
in New York and sparked a great interest in the breed.
The same 1890 magazine article gave the first "Great
Dane Standard" - which included just about every color
and pattern under the sun (including white dogs with
striping); AND (interesting to note) on the list of
"faults" there was NOTHING about
color/pattern....only conformation - which one
could/should take to
mean that a Dane could NOT be faulted because of color
told me the article went on to say that the very
earliest Great Dane records of show entries and wins
were LOST by the GDCA (!) .
1909 post card of a
Dane in which it appears to be red aka
1911 Mendel's theory of genetics was just being paid
attention to although he worked on it around 1865. Dr.
Little's work on coat color in dogs was just starting.
The DDC had officially defined the 5 colors, but there
were quite a few unorthodox colors around and even
registered in Volume I (published 1897) of the stud book
such as blue-brindle or blue-striped (blaugestromt).
Hans Friedrich, a judge of the Deutsches Doggen-Clubs,
and long time breeder of "Teutonia" Danes (and who wrote
an article on coat color) mentioned a "very good
bitch with a lustrous deep red color" (most likely a
chocolate) at the 1907 Vienna show. She was supposed to
have come from a top-winning fawn (yellow) dog, Champion
Meteor-Haider, bred to a well-known blue bitch, Champion
Hans Friedrich said that he liked to consider the
appearance of especially noteworthy although
faulty-colored Danes. They were, amongst the brindles,
blue-striped ones, and silver-striped ones which
were becoming rare even back then in 1911. Among the
spotted, from time to time appeared some with the white
base-coat and yellow (gelb) or red (rot) or sometimes
golden brindle (goldgestromt) spots. (Could this be
what we refer to today as fawnequins.) Hans
Friedrich also saw Harlequins (Tigerdogge) which had
blue base and black or smutty-colored patches.
(...and this our standard merles.)
also said (in 1911) "25 to 30 years ago" was the
high point for blues in Austria. Once in Vienna a "Draprude"
appeared in a litter of blues. This color was popular
here at that time, and that dog enjoyed much success in
competitions. He described "Drap" as probably not a
different pigment, but a paling of the blue.
Along with the coat color, the dark color of the nose
disappears, it becomes leather brown and likewise
the nails become light.
Just what was this "Isabella" color like? We can only
guess, based on the Isabella Doberman, which is a
pinkish-fawnish shade genetically a dilute chocolate (or
dilute liver, or dilute red, if you prefer). It would
seem to be a different shade from "Drapp," since both
terms are used in the studbook.
Drappfarben" was used to describe a dog with brown nose
and light nails, and a coat somewhere between pale blue
and fawn as described by Hans Friedrich.
Danes of many beautiful colors and patterns have been
seen; brindle with a red-gold base coat and blue
stripes, mask and nose; pups (from pure-color
fawn-bridle breeding) starting out looking chocolate,
then got a bluish tinge, and as an adult looked like
an exotic shade of mink; blacks with horizontal stripes
("eel-striped," "Aalstrich"); Blues with a dark mask;
whites with blue and fawn spots; whites with brindle
The Germans were meticulous in their description of
color. They also differentiated "spots" or
"patches" with "plates," large patches of color with
smooth edges (versus the usual irregular edges of the
normal harl "spots" or "patches"). They called these
"plated" dogs, plattenhunds. Dogs such as Alex von
Borsigwalde were described as "weiss mit braun Platten"
(white with brown plates). The "Brown" that is
mentioned is precisely that "braun"; perhaps
chocolate, perhaps liver, but never fawn.
One should wonder about the abrupt change of accepted
colors in Germany, it seems a strange coincidence that
so many colors and patterns were accepted until after
(or near the end) of WWII. The country was in shambles,
with little food for people, let alone dogs. At least
one other breed, the harlekin pincer (harlequin
pinscher) became extinct during WWII (according to a
letter response I received from the German Pinscher
Club). Perhaps they wanted to make sure that the German
Great Danes with a few "standard" colors survived, at
the expense of the other colors. It was not done for any
"defect, reason" as some non-white colors were
eliminated and the harls kept (which, by nature, produce
whites). One can't help but think that if there
had been no WWII, we would see a great many other
beautiful colors and patterns?
One innovation Robert Wetz had instituted in Vol. VIII
of the DDSB (post WWI) was most likely a result of his
experience with color. Previously, the studbooks had
been divided into the 5 accepted colors only: brindles,
fawns, blacks, blues and "spotted" ("gefleckt" or what
we call harlequins, although the spots may have been of
various hues). Nothing else was registered, other than
the occasional blue-brindle in the brindle section.
But in Vol. VIII he specified that the harlequin section
be for black-and-white harls only, and provided a
separate section for "andersfarbig gefleckt und Weisse"
(Other-color spotted and whites). This included quite a
few blue-and-white harls, whites, and merles;
"grey-black spotted," "porzellantiger," etc.
Vol. IX, which he had nearly finished organizing before
his untimely death, the section became simply "Other
Colors", and included the following besides
blue-and-white harls, etc.: Isabella, white-and-brown,
silver brindle, brown-spotted, blue with fawn,
blue-brindle, and "drappfarben."
Volume X continued the "Other Colors" section with many
of the same descriptions, plus a couple of fawn-white-spotteds.
From then on registrations were no longer divided by
color, but by litters, and there were many different
colors and patterns.
Brown, in German Braun
Rehbraun, i.e. fawn-colour)
is rarely mentioned in the breed's history, although red and
yellow specifically are each used to describe typical colors
commonly seen. The term
(for fawn) is not recorded and
is used, it is separated from the usages of
and typically describes some "brown and white" or "brown"
offspring of harlequins; plus the term
seems to be only found in Germany
in the era between WWI & WWII."
The word "Braun" being used to
describe chocolate dogs of other breeds in Germany - even to
the present day. No question that "braun" meant "chocolate."
And since that's a fact - then it's also a fact that Chocolate
Danes were not only being SHOWN in Europe in 1900 - but were
put up as FIRSTs.
wasn't until after World War II that the DDC reverted to
refusing to register any but the 5 accepted colors.
Much of the above information was shared with me by Jan Harris.
told me that off of the top of her head she knew the
following Danes were indeed either chocolate or
Adda v Stolzenburg (harl) (CH Harras
Sauer x Ronde v Flamberg) Bred to harl Fram vd Marburg
(a blue and brown carrier) and five pups resulted: one
black and white harl, one black, one black with white
markings, one ?grey-black spotted?, and Alex von
Borsigwalde ?weiss mit braun Platten? ?white with
brown plates? ? and those ?plates? are not little
Afra v Stolzenburg
(?black and white harl with grey?(CH Harras Sauer x
Ronde v Flamberg) Had a littler containing, besides
two merles, a black and a harl, a ?grey-brown spotted?
and a ?grey with brown spots?
Alex von Borsigwalde
(?weiss mit braun Platten? ?white with brown
plates?) (Fram vd Marburg x Adda v Stolzenburg)
Alexander v Zobtenberg (harl; blue &
brown carrier) (Prinz vd Paulsberg x Lohne Vater Jahn)
Born July 8, 1921. Was used very extensively for
Asta v Deutschland (black, brown
carrier) (Bryas Uhland x Dina v Proskau) Born October
Basso von Nurburgring (black; blue
and brown carrier ? another pedigree said black;
brindle/blue carrier) (Landor II v St
Magn-Obertraubling x CH Anneliese v Brandholz) Born
April 10, 1931. Breeder: Frau Paula de Groote,
Nurnberg. Basso was 30 ?? tall at withers. Basso was
kept in a dark stable in a city courtyard and
supposedly he didn?t look like much, but it was only
his phenotype (appearance) that was disappointing. His
genotype (genetic background) was superb. Basso went
back on his sire?s side to the Stehberger danes (v St.
Magn-Obertraubling), and the pups he produced were
Bill vd Gilbach (black and white harl)
(CH Bosko vd Saalburg x Betty vd Rheinau-Halbinsel)
Born 1928. Bill produced 3 black-and-white harlequins,
one of which was a ?brown? carrier, 2 fawns, 1 black
and a blue-and-white harlequin.
Bricka [Ledl] (white and brown
spotted; ?weiss-braun gefleckt?) (CH Lord Tipp Topp x
Flora [Pacher]) Born June 14, 1921. Breeder: Fr. Ledl
Brunhilde v Brandenburg (white and
brown spotted) (Heros Sauer x Satanella vd Burg
Flora [Pacher] (harl, brown carrier)
Fram vd Marburg (harl; blue & brown
carrier) (Hassan Sauer x Tanja vd Marburg) Born June
Freya v Urbachsriesen (black and
white harl, blue carrier) (sire was a brown-carrier
b/w harl and dam a ?blue/wh H?) Born 1932.
Heros Sauer (?grey-spotted?, ie
merle, brown carrier) (CH Prinz Fuchs x CH Hero [Sperberg])
Bred to Satanella vd Burg Friesack (harl) and produced
Brunhilde v Brandenburg (white and brown spotted) and
her 4 black and white harl littermates. (born after
Kneissl vd Rheinschanze (black; fawn,
brown & blue carrier)
CH Lord Tipp Topp (harl; blue & brown
carrier) (Prinz Vater Jahn x Freya Tipp Topp) Born
1919. Owner/Breeder: Andreas Brunner, Munich
Nuscha Funcken vd Heide
(white with brown spots, blue carrier) (another
pedigree said white with brindle spots, blue carrier)
(CH Jagla Moguntia x Contessa v Flamberg) 1932. Bred
to Quirl v Duorpem (white with brindle) and had: one
black/blue spotted, two black and white harls, one
black with white markings.
Pascha Viktoria (harl, brown carrier)
(Bismarck Viktoria x Cita v Oberauerbach) Born April
Pilord II Victoria
(registered in the DDSB as a black and white harl, but
when he went to the US he appared in the AKC records
as ?black, white and brown) (Pascha Viktoria x Asta v
Deutschland) Born October 13, 1930.
Roland Borussia (harl; blue & brown
carrier) (CH Jagla Moguntia x CH Ortrud Borussia)
Satanella vd Burg
Friesack (harl) (Prinz v Paulsburg x Lady
5222) Born January 1922. Bred to Heros-Sauer (merle)
and produced Brunhilde v Brandenburg (white and brown
spotted) and 4 black and white harl littermates.
CH TIlly Land
(black, ?brown carrier?) (CH Samiel Tipp-Topp x Drea,
unregistered) Born 1914
Troll v Neutemmen
(white and brown spotted) (Rex v Alt Potsdam x ?)
Regardless of the EARLY history, there is no question
that the Danes in the States originated from the
bloodlines in Germany.
was...an English champion, Ch. Orus of Lockerbie. His color
was brindle-harlequin...but there's no mention as to what
color the stripes were! Ch. Orus was used for breeding,
and so was his brindle sister, Pandora, who is behind some top
English dogs." If you research the Great Dane you will
the original description of the breed
(5th paragraph) allowed for various
colors, plus brindles and patched Danes in all possible
I've discovered over the years many articles that I've
referred to that support my comments are being deleted, humm wonder why? lol
screen shot just in case.
recently a Champion-sired "chocolate" striped Great Dane,
shown in California (in the early 1970s).
Her sire was CH Bartholomew von Overcup.
Below are pictures of Jecamo's Butterscotch, with
what looks to be a chocolate nose, shown in
1971 in which her picture is in Dane International,
July/Aug. 1971 issue. It was Isabel Karkau and Jane Chopson
who acquired her and showed her. She was eventually disqualified
by then-president of the GDCA Rose Sabett for not having the black nose required for a
"standard" brindle. After she
disqualified her it is said Sally Haas protested that her own
blue in the open blue class did not have a black nose. After
this incident the Standard was changed to describe
disqualified colors. However, I'd like to mention that a chocolate
brindle is suppose to have a chocolate nose so, if Butterscotch
truly was a chocolate brindle then she was marked
correctly for being the color she was. There is some
talk she may have been liver, regardless, she still should not
have had a black nose.
At least her owner was
able to show for a short time what was a truly
beautiful dog. Before this time most chocolates (and
other off colors) never
saw the light of day, instead they were put down by going for a swim in
a pail of water or getting a bonk to the head and pretended
they didn't exist. It is said Butterscotch had a 10-generation
correctly marked fawn-to-brindle pedigree including correctly
marked parents, but since this color is a combination of
recessives, both her parents had to be carriers.
Her record: 4 Fun Matches, One
Best Puppy, Three Firsts, Two Sanctioned Matches, One Best
Adult, One Best of Breed, 5 AKC point shows...One first, One
second, One third, One fourth... and then the One no
Jane wrote an article to answer all the
critics of her showing Butterscotch, one part that was very
"It should also be remembered that
the appearance of this color is the fault of no one. It
has probably been carried in the breed from it's inception.
Fault does lie in hysterical reaction and in concealing the
presence of this gene from buyers and breeders."
It amazes me how I'm accused of being
unethical because I am breeding for chocolate Danes thus must be
breeding for only color when Dane judges
immediately disqualify a dog with the “wrong color” or even “wrong
color NOSE” without even GLANCING at the conformation! Color is the
FIRST thing they apparently look at!
A friend said
to me, "P
for Great Danes – it shouldn’t be called the “Breed Ring” or
“Conformation Ring” at all…..it seems to be better suited to
being called “The Great Dane Color Ring.” Dane
breeders, judges and the GDCA itself could learn a great big
lesson from studying the judging of Whippets.
There was no accepted standard until the various Great Dane
clubs formed and agreed on a standard for their particular
club. From what's left of my poor old memory, the English club
was established first, then Germany's, and then, in 1889,
I recently came
across the following post on a Dane forum while at
a friend's house and am amused because this post was by
someone who doesn't even breed Danes or any other
breed of canine!
So, what does
her statement say about all the Danes listed above as well
as the chocolates I have which several come from CH
the two women above have something backwards.... you
have to get the breeding of a color consistent and
produce healthy dogs with all the attributes and traits of
a Great Dane BEFORE it is accepted as a
breed standard color IN ORDER for it to be shown.
In other words, one has to start somewhere and
that's with the breeding, not the color
recognition or showing. I bet the
people showing blues, mantles and harls are glad
"someone" stuck to their guns and bred these
colors because they were "all about the money!"
When you think about it, as stated above, aren't
the show people "all about the money" as
Ariel stated above they ask so much for their
puppies because of what they put into the litters?
Well, just because someone is breeding a color
that is not breed standard does not mean they too
don't spend a lot of money on their Danes' general
everyday care and the proper care of their
litters. It's incorrect for someone to
think that just because a person is breeding a
non-breed standard color that they are a puppy mill.
I have seen evidence of many people breeding the
standard colors of which by the living conditions and
the poor physical conditions of their puppies they
appear in every aspect of being a puppy mill,
however, I guess just because they are breeding
standard colors they are not considered this?
The people bashing the chocolates need to realize
it's not the "color" a person is breeding that
makes them a puppy mill, it's how they care for
If you've read this entire page
to this point and other parts of my web site I
know you are tired of reading the following
statement but it's the
truth, "ONE HAS TO START SOME WHERE to get a NEW
color accepted as breed standard."
if the first person means chocolates can't be bred correctly because
they are a recessive gene, what about blue
a dilute of black, does that mean blues are
not being bred correctly as well? If that's
the case, why then are they a breed standard color?
I can only wonder back when mantles and harlequins
breed standard colors, was there someone dishing
out mythomation (myth & mis-information) that
mantles and harlequins had health issues and could not be
Take a look at the below pictures - within each
picture they are litter sisters, and are actually
like two peas in a pod - though, because of the
difference in color and pattern, they can at first
glance seem totally different.
people should not be judged by the color of their
skin, Danes should not be judged by the color of
as I'm concerned the color of a Dane's coat is not
what makes it a Dane. It's the overall
conformation and appearance. You can't
convince me that if someone saw the Danes shown at
the bottom of this page on the street they'd not
know they were GREAT Danes.
an open minded breeder who has some of
the top lines in his pedigrees (that have chocolates and
recessive chocolates in the pedigrees) send me his
take on the above posting:
WoW!!! Looks like we have a genius here on dogs.
You know Gibson the Greatest Dane and World record
setter before the Blue Dane of late was 7 years
old and had sired a couple of litters before he
DIED of BONE cancer. Guess they should have waited
for that pure Healthy check up though he had more
Health certifications than OBAMA.
else emailed me with this statement:
The attitude of the GDCA smacks of
racism to me, and the purists who are trying to
stamp out genes in Danes (and other breeds)
smacks of the German Nazism who were trying to
"purify" their race. I thought I was the only one
who saw that correlation. :-) How can people
believe that "purifying a race by eliminating
genes" is horrifying for humans but okay for
can say is if more people have an open mind and
realize it's not the color of one's coat that makes them great, then
there is hope for the chocolate becoming a breed
standard color as it's apparent it's not only
those of us breeding this color wanting
I'm often asked how I have the colors I
do because it would be genetically impossible to come up with some of the colors I
have (or anyone else) based on the information on their
it's an unspoken tradition that many breed standard/show breeders
register their "off" colored puppies (those they
allow to live) under the wrong color because they don't want others
knowing their breed standard dogs are producing off colors.
A friend asked the other day if
I'd ever heard of a Dane BMW
Danielle? She said, "She was a lightly marked mantle and was registered
as a harl...and was actually SHOWN as a harl! And got
points! She said BMW Pumpkin was registered
as a harl....but she was a fawniken. Furthermore, many
whites have been registered as harls. But that practice goes
back into antiquity - all you have to do is look at Olga vd
Priel and Aga vd Ruhr - and examine those pictures closely...
lol, can you find any black markings on them....they appear to
be pure white...and yet were registered as harls."
Germans were meticulous in their description of color, for
instance differentiating the color of pups in a litter by Afra
v Stolzenburg as: two merles, a black, a harl, a "grey-brown
spotted" and a "grey with brown spots".
also differentiated "spots" or "patches" with "plates," large
patches of color with smooth edges (versus the usual irregular
edges of the normal harl "spots or patches". They called
these "plated" dogs "plattenhunds." Dogs such as Alex von Borsigwalde
were described as "weiss mit braun Platten" (white
with brown plates). The "Brown" that is mentioned is precisely
that, "braun"; perhaps chocolate, perhaps liver, but never
fawn. They used the word "Gelb" which means yellow (for what
we call fawn).
shame the Americans aren't doing the same because most
chocolates were/are registered
incorrectly as blacks;
dilute chocolate as blue; chocolate fawns and blue fawns as
fawns; chocolate brindles as brindles; fawnequins, brindlequins and porcelains as harlequins,
etc. However, thanks to AKC & CKC now recognizing
these off colors and assigning specific codes for many of them,
and thanks to breeders like me who are correctly registering a
puppy by it's true color, those of us breeding for
these colors will start having accurate (color) pedigrees and one day
have color pure
lines. Check out the detailed
chart I started in the early 2000's before I ever
started breeding Danes because I was so drawn to the breed;
and it's still a work in progress!
It's a fact that GDCA
considers a dog
to be pure colour bred if it is "clean" of other
colours in the pedigree for 5 generations and that is exactly
what the goal of our breeding program is. However, I'm
not sure why that is because a friend of mine came across some
interesting information that she emailed me:
Adda & Alex v Wendenburg - "pure
color bred fawns for THIRTY generations" - and guess what,
when they were bred together, they had blues. Even Brae Tarn
had Colonel Sapt - out of Engold and Loheland lines - parents
were "pure (fawn) as the driven snow." Were they shocked when
Colonel Sapt (a blue) appeared - and so embarrassed about him
that they didn't even put their kennel name on him, just
called him Colonel Sapt. That dog was so heavily linebred on
the great Dolf vd Saalburg, it wasn't funny - and he must have
been an absolutely incredible dog. What a contribution to the
breed (and not just to Blues) he would have made.
forget that the mantle and harlequin were not always
"accepted" breed standard colors. Mantles were added in
the late 90's because of their importance in a harlequin
breeding program. They are a great breeding partner to
harlequins as they won't produce any double merle puppies and
they have the same pattern as desired in a show marked
harlequin. Did you know
the original description of the breed
(5th paragraph) allowed for various colors, plus brindles and patched Danes in
all possible combinations!
This recessive black gene (chocolate)
can impact the five recognized colors as follows:
Blue - A dilute (silver/blue) chocolate
Black - A solid chocolate
Brindle - Pale peach color with darker chocolate mask and
Fawn - Pail peach color with darker chocolate mask
Harlequin - A white dog with chocolate patches NOTE: Since this color is caused by a recessive
gene, a dog of any breed standard color may carry this hidden
Reading the above posting I
found on a Dane forum I am
amused by the fact these people have nothing better to
do with their lives than to sit at a computer and gossip about me
and my dogs. They are so desperate to be the center of
attention as to state it irritates them that I name many of my
Danes and their pups after candy bars and other things that
have to do with chocolate, however, I guess it's okay for them
to name their puppies after "flowers, colors in the sky,
minerals, people, expensive cars, etc." Forgive me but
what makes their names more acceptable than mine???
Furthermore, I find it
ironic many show
people have admitted the designer colors are beautiful, they
just would never breed for them; and some even own or want
to own one!! These wagging tongues need to remember the conformation of an off colored Dane
only gets better if people like me choose to continue to work on it
despite all the ridicule so
that hopefully one day chocolate too will be a
"standard" color just as the harlequins and mantles
were eventually accepted.
From looking at the pictures
of Butterscotch above and the chocolates below, I'd
say designer/off colored Danes do have good conformation and size so, I guess they
can not compete in AKC conformation classes simply because of their color?
Is this the KKK (Krazy Kanine Kult) of the dog world? Well, at least other registries now allow these beautiful colors to compete and
recognize these Danes for the beautiful creatures they truly
Personally, I believe, like a good
Texas Longhorn, a good Great Dane
cannot be a bad color, and I hope that some day the AKC will
decide/describe in the Great Dane standard, as they now do with
Whippets, that "color is immaterial."
Why is it AKC properly calls some things "patterns" in Doxies
all the while calling them "colors" in Danes?
I've been emailed by show people
and have read on forums where their main concern is... "The
last thing we need is another color in the ring!"
Finally, they are showing their true
colors….defending their own perceived self-interest at all
cost. It’s those showing points they are so worried about!"
And yes, I'm aware the 2 males below are not stacked properly...
they are not show dogs or "someone's trophy items," they are loving
family members to those they live with.
photo courtesy of: Christy Kostoulas
stud 180 #s @ 18 mo.
At 3 yrs of age he was 201. 2 pounds!
One of our KMC pups: 153 pounds @ 8 months
An 8 wk old KMC puppy
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A 6 wk old KMC puppy
A friend told me, "When properly bred,
an adult chocolate Dane with its size, structure,
majesty and expression will "knock your socks off" when you
first see it. They have a confident and stable personality,
along with playfulness and a "zest" for life; they are the
very epitome of a GREAT Dane!"
For those that still say
chocolate Danes do not exist after reading this far:
As far as I'm concerned
rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools and accepted by
idiots. Bottom line,
change happens and those opposed to the chocolate Dane
being a breed standard color better prepare themselves.
One must let go of the past to create a great future.
Lol, even the cosmetic world
recognizes how GREAT Chocolate Danes are!
For those who would like to find out just how over-simplified
this has been, you'll get the truth, the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth in a book called "The Inheritance of
Coat Color in Dogs," by Dr. Clarence C. Little. It's available
from the Howell Book House, 730 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY
10019. The early issues of Great Dane International, back in
1970 and 1971, had a series of most comprehensive articles on
genetics leading up to the complicated matter of coat colour,
by Dr. Frances Greer. So there has been plenty of research and
documentation on the subject.
When a Bird is
alive... It eats Ants,
When the Bird is dead... Ants eat the Bird!
Time & Circumstances can change at any time...
You May be Powerful Today... But Remember,
Time is More Powerful Than You!
One tree makes a million match sticks...
But when the time comes...
Only one match stick is needed to burn a million trees...
It takes one Chicken to lay an Egg...
Faulting a Dane purely for it's Color, well...
Don't get caught with Egg on Your Face
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